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	<title>Comments on: amazingly supportive church = growing youth group</title>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<description>Church support is a great thing to have!  That&#039;s so amazing for you, man.

Any tips, tricks, or advice for those of us with zero pastor/church support?  

We have grown from 15 to 40 in 7th-12th grades and the youth are pumped about our upcoming evangelism training.  Our pastor only gives pulpit lip service to the youth once or twice a year.  We have no budget available for curriculum or to assist our many low income families - and we&#039;ve been told we aren&#039;t getting any more funds next year.  Period.  My husband and I buy everything but we just don&#039;t have the funds in our personal budget either.  Parents and other congregants exhibit the same attitude of the pastor, that is, the youth are invaluable because they are children and they don&#039;t pay tithes like adults.  The pastor keeps telling my husband that his job is just to preach on Wednesday night, not to develop the discipleship program that we have.  (We&#039;ve split our Sun School into guys/girls separate classes and have added a core Bible study for our highly committed students.  There are 18 doing the core class every Sunday night!)  Even after our kids come out of the woodwork to participate in deep, stretching discipleship, pastor still says that the teens just don&#039;t care about spiritual things and they can&#039;t understand them anyway, you know, because they are just children.  Ergh.  See the trend?  We are in a serious up hill struggle against our own leadership.  The youth are on fire and wanting deep things, but the pastor just pushes them down.  They know it, too.  Several will not come to the main service on Sun morning anymore &quot;because they just can&#039;t listen to that crap&quot;  (crap to them = never talking about Christ or salvation, only about Holy Spirit and what it means to be pentecostal, pentecostal, pentecostal).  Yikes!    

That&#039;s a long story and unfortunately it only scratches the surface.  But we would desperately love some seasoned advice.  Heck, we might even take a tiny comfort in knowing we weren&#039;t alone in this sickness, although we certainly don’t want anyone else in our situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Church support is a great thing to have!  That&#8217;s so amazing for you, man.</p>
<p>Any tips, tricks, or advice for those of us with zero pastor/church support?  </p>
<p>We have grown from 15 to 40 in 7th-12th grades and the youth are pumped about our upcoming evangelism training.  Our pastor only gives pulpit lip service to the youth once or twice a year.  We have no budget available for curriculum or to assist our many low income families &#8211; and we&#8217;ve been told we aren&#8217;t getting any more funds next year.  Period.  My husband and I buy everything but we just don&#8217;t have the funds in our personal budget either.  Parents and other congregants exhibit the same attitude of the pastor, that is, the youth are invaluable because they are children and they don&#8217;t pay tithes like adults.  The pastor keeps telling my husband that his job is just to preach on Wednesday night, not to develop the discipleship program that we have.  (We&#8217;ve split our Sun School into guys/girls separate classes and have added a core Bible study for our highly committed students.  There are 18 doing the core class every Sunday night!)  Even after our kids come out of the woodwork to participate in deep, stretching discipleship, pastor still says that the teens just don&#8217;t care about spiritual things and they can&#8217;t understand them anyway, you know, because they are just children.  Ergh.  See the trend?  We are in a serious up hill struggle against our own leadership.  The youth are on fire and wanting deep things, but the pastor just pushes them down.  They know it, too.  Several will not come to the main service on Sun morning anymore &#8220;because they just can&#8217;t listen to that crap&#8221;  (crap to them = never talking about Christ or salvation, only about Holy Spirit and what it means to be pentecostal, pentecostal, pentecostal).  Yikes!    </p>
<p>That&#8217;s a long story and unfortunately it only scratches the surface.  But we would desperately love some seasoned advice.  Heck, we might even take a tiny comfort in knowing we weren&#8217;t alone in this sickness, although we certainly don’t want anyone else in our situation.</p>
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